# Feedback Request for 'R' Protocol Proposal
**URL:** https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559
**Category:** Research and Development
**Created:** [January 7, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559 "2025-01-07T19:28:59Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TezNebraska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/TezNebraska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/41 "2025-01-09T04:07:57Z")
> [@NomadicLabs](#):
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> - **New Baking and DAL attestation rewards model**
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> The objective of this change is to make layer 2 – notably Etherlink – more scalable by [making the DAL operational](https://research-development.nomadic-labs.com/bakers-dal.html) on mainnet. This requires at least 66% of the Tezos stake to run DAL nodes, and the ‘R’ proposal adapts rewards for bakers to reward DAL participation.
So if 66% of the stake does not run DAL nodes, is the new rewards model not activated? As far as 10% for dal participation, seems reasonable, but I wonder if it’ll be enough to incent bakers to upgrade hardware (if necessary) or rent a vps to run the dal.
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### Author:  [@Gnupioo](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/Gnupioo)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 10:40am UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/42 "2025-01-09T10:40:18Z")
If it were so, they would signal it with the LB switch
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### Author:  [@beatalipska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/beatalipska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/43 "2025-01-09T13:28:07Z")
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback, I appreciate your input and suggestion about taking the 33% of liquidity baking rewards and moving those to DAL. We’ll continue to refine and clarify the proposal so every voice matters to us. All suggestions, including yours, will be summarised and presented for further discussion during governance iterations.
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### Author:  [@beatalipska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/beatalipska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/44 "2025-01-09T13:38:07Z")
Agora is our main platform for feedback because it keeps discussions focused and free from the noise of larger channels like Reddit. This helps us address relevant voices efficiently without spreading ourselves too thin. While we do monitor other channels, having a centralized space ensures no feedback gets lost and allows us to respond thoughtfully.
By keeping Agora as the main hub, we can work together more effectively to improve Tezos. Thank you for contributing here—it truly makes a difference!
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/45 "2025-01-09T13:51:33Z")
The 21.1 version of Octez makes this setup compatible with the operation of the DAL. Indeed, improvements have been made to resolve issues related to latency that were encountered in the past.
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/46 "2025-01-09T13:59:46Z")
Thanks for your feedback @BakingBangkok.
It covers several points, which I’ll try to respond to:
- Regarding deploying it on a machine hosted at home, it’s up to the operator. We briefly [explained here](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/hardware-and-bandwidth-requirements-for-the-tezos-dal/6230/4) why we no longer advise against deploying DAL and node on the same machine. The same principle applies to hosting at home. We can come back to the community with more details if necessary.
- As we’ve seen in other responses in this thread, the figure of 10% of rewards allocated to DAL is a value intended for discussion, and not a definitive value. If this figure seems excessive to the community and they converge on a lower figure, we will adopt the latter. We also don’t rule out making multiple proposals with a wide range of values to leave the choice to governance.
- As for using the revenue from Liquidity Baking to compensate participation in DAL, as @beatalipska said earlier, we take it as a request from you, and this thread is the perfect place to formulate them.
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### Author:  [@Val](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/Val)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/47 "2025-01-09T14:00:51Z")
This is just a generic response, Beata. Take a moment to think about it. Answers to questions are posted one after another, making it difficult to follow the discussion threads. It’s unclear which points are being addressed and which are not. There’s no indication of priority either (for example, on Reddit, upvoted questions appear at the top). Agora works well for single-topic discussions, but feedback threads aren’t well-suited for it. We’re dealing with multiple topics here. To use Agora effectively, you’d need to break down the proposed changes into separate posts.
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### Author:  [@beatalipska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/beatalipska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/48 "2025-01-09T14:05:36Z")
I completely agree with the points raised regarding the functional limitations—there’s no question about the validity of your concerns. However, introducing an additional platform for these discussions would require significant time and resources to implement effectively.
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### Author:  [@Val](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/Val)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/49 "2025-01-09T14:12:01Z")
Doesn’t it require significant time and resources for TT to implement everything effectively?
What does it really take to succeed on Reddit? It doesn’t sound too complicated—create a subreddit, post feedback prompts there, and engage with the discussions there instead of here. The only difference between Reddit and Agora is that whoever runs Agora won’t have the analytical data they have now.
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/50 "2025-01-09T14:23:59Z")
Yes, it clearly is up to operators to decide. This is why we no longer advise against deploying DAL and RPC node on the same machine, but rather prefer to explain the ins and outs, as well as our analysis of the matter. This way, everyone can form an informed opinion.
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### Author:  [@Val](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/Val)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/51 "2025-01-09T14:27:33Z")
Cool. Just make sure to really explain the ins and outs. So far, I’ve seen plenty of ‘we don’t advise against…’ but zero ‘BUT’.
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/52 "2025-01-09T14:30:02Z")
Thanks for that feedback @TezoSpanish, we take it as a change suggestion for this proposal. We are keeping track of all of them, and we value them a lot.
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/53 "2025-01-09T15:11:59Z")
Yes, the proposal actually consists of distributing the rewards between baking and DAL.
The figure of 10% is intended as a starting point for discussion, not a final figure, though. We would prefer it to be determined through this feedback round, so that it would capture constraints and needs such as the one you expressed.
Please find further details in this other answer:
> [@Feedback Request for 'R' Protocol Proposal](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/12):
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> This proposed change is based on the following principle: both layer 2 and layer 1 are part of Tezos, and since layer 2 is enshrined in layer 1, it is up to the bakers to ensure its security and scalability (technical requirements to do so have been kept reasonable). Therefore, the proposal actually consists of distributing the rewards between baking and DAL. The figure of 10% is intended as a starting point for discussion. As indicated in the post, we would prefer that this distribution be det…
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/54 "2025-01-09T15:18:53Z")
Thanks for your feedback!
We take this as a change request for this proposal, which is very welcome.
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### Author:  [@beatalipska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/beatalipska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/56 "2025-01-09T18:07:06Z")
Thank you for your support for Etherlink! We’re focused on making setup easy for home bakers and will provide clear guidance. Your point about 1-day cycles increasing accounting efforts is noted, and we’ll explore ways to simplify this. Extending the activation period to 6 days for emergencies is a great suggestion, and we’ll consider it in discussions. Your feedback is invaluable—thank you!
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### Author:  [@beatalipska](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/beatalipska)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/57 "2025-01-09T18:13:20Z")
> [@borsss](#):
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> Thoughts:
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> 1. Any chance for `smart_rollup_challenge_window_in_blocks` to be reduced? Does it really take 2 weeks to calculate an alternative commitment as part of the refutation period? Withdrawal delays for sending XTZ back to L1 are a major UX issue for Etherlink
> 2. As some have said here, the liqudity baking reward could be used more productively either via the DAL, or to provide liquidity for a replacement reward scheme for Etherlink users as their tez is effectively undelegated, they have no voice in the L1 ecosystem, and they are diluted due to inflation
Reducing withdrawal delays for Etherlink users is indeed critical for improving user experience, and this feedback will be taken into account.
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### Author:  [@cryptEMES](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/cryptEMES)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/58 "2025-01-09T19:28:08Z")
I agree that losing a fraction of rewards if we don’t run a DAL node is not a great incentive. Are there any other posibilities to make it more attractive?
What it we don’t achieve the 66%? I just think about the initial plan to attract 50% stake for adaptive inflation but we keep hanging ~20%. What to do in a similar case for the DAL? Can rewarding DAL node operators with an adaptive incentive as well? One that goes down if we reach the 66%?
Or, I’m just thinking out loud here: Reward early adopters! Avoid raising inflation and reward them with shares of projects in the Tezos Ecosystem. Maybe with Uranium (even though I’m not a fan of it) or NFT’s with recognizable value.
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### Author:  [@Tezosnodes](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/Tezosnodes)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2025, 5:28am UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/59 "2025-01-10T05:28:44Z")
yes, it is certainly a good idea not to fine but to reward, for example, as in other networks. In AVAX, for deploying an additional node, the validator receives a premium or bonus and thus they reach the required number of nodes. This is better than fining.
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### Author:  [@BakingBangkok](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/BakingBangkok)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2025, 8:11am UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/60 "2025-01-13T08:11:48Z")
There has been some debate in community about DAL bandwidth usage
Looking at tezos x roadmap there are three milestones for DAL 1 mb/s, 10 mb/s and 100mb/s
Could you provide more clarity on required bandwidth for each stage
Are these values constant data usage or just burst speeds?
How much data in TB are you expecting each stage to consume? //monthly
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### Author:  [@VincentPoulain](https://forum.tezosagora.org/u/VincentPoulain)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2025, 9:46am UTC](https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/feedback-request-for-r-protocol-proposal/6559/61 "2025-01-13T09:46:51Z")
Hello @Primate,
Thanks for your message, which is particularly comprehensive and rich in feedback as well as proposed solutions.
If we haven’t responded to it yet, it’s precisely because of the broad scope it covers. We’re going to start responding in a grouped manner from now on to avoid the proliferation of individual messages, which some readers have found difficult to follow.
Rest assured that the topics you’ve listed here will be covered in this response.
This also applies to all of you who haven’t received a response yet in this thread, and whom we thank warmly.
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