Layer 2 dApp support funding

Not all dapps need the crazy throughput that L2s offer. For those which don’t need it, incentivizing them to migrate to a L2 would be a bad idea.

L2s are a solution for a problem which we don’t yet have. There is little reason to expect most of the dapps to migrate to L2s in the near future so the current focus is more on attracting new developers in need for throughput. We also need to get ready for the day the chain will saturate and existing dapps will want to migrate to L2. In particular we want to make it cheaper for them to migrate by supporting Michelson in smart rollups.

“L2s are a solution for a problem which we don’t yet have” - yeah, could have focused on the issues we do have, but it is what it is.

What dApps do you think would benefit the most from L2’s that are on Tezos now? I’m thinking, gaming apps such as Tezotopia, and gambling dapps such as Tezos degen club could more easily attract a user base with lower block time. Defi could as well, but the 15 second block time coming in a few months should be fine.

What meeting are you talking about?

Please tell me what other issues could have the Core team put their focus on? Maybe instead of whining and posting bs statements you put your money where your mouth is and start contributing too? And no your cringe videos are not meant by that.

And are you really expecting people to take you serious with such statements or videos like the newest one you did? One can tackle such topics in a constructive way with criticism but this aint it.

You are argumenting is a bit like a mumble rap, throwing in everything together and mumbling around.
What does wasted tech mean? Please tell me

Yes sure we need the TF too support/encourage gambling dapps so lawsuits can come fly in. LOL you know that this is a very regulated field and in most countries ilegal without license? Dont get me wrong TDC is a great dapp but expecting the foundation to support such kind of dapps is delusional.

There are painpoints in the Tezos ecosystem but your approach - constantly mixing up facts and the fixation on TF and Arthur wont help here

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Indeed no app on tezos rn needs an L2 but it’s easier to get ready for adoption when you already have an app that is widely used and utilises the tech, it might help polish UX, find bugs and all that,
things tend to happen spontaneously, hic et nunc came out of nowhere, we might see viral app that requires L2 but fixing stuff when there’s a strong need for L2 might be tough, especially if it requires a protocol change
not sure if any nft market on tezos has an ongoing grant from TF but it’d be nice if say objkt launched an L2 version of their app
I have no idea how much it costs to rework an app for L2 but a deploying cost of 10_000 tez doesn’t seem like a big deal

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I explained the issues clearly in the video. Many people have texted me saying I hit the nail on the head.

I’ve stated several solutions in the past, however I reposted many of them on Twitter today.

You literally threw away the point of what I was saying and focused on the small details. Same thing Arthur does. Focus on the big picture and how it all fits together. TDC was just an example I was using.

Agreed but the issue is, how are they going to onboard dapps to the L2 to get proper testing if most of the dApps are broke and can’t afford developing on the L2. Just having the Tezos core development isn’t enough. We need someone with $$$ to be proactive and paying for dApp integration. It should not be coming out of Jarrods pocket money. The foundation should be the proactive ones here. It’s literally their job.

life is much easier if you take TF out of the equation
you probably don’t need that many apps on l2 to test it, one that is used might be enough

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funding is much harder if you take the TF out of the equation :stuck_out_tongue:

Would be easy for them to host a hackathon and best L2 middle/front end gets a prize. Open source it.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, feedback from early rollup adopters is absolutely crucial for their success! If you want to try smart rollups, now is the perfect time and mondaynet is the perfect place. Don’t wait for Mumbai to be injected and Mumbainet to be launched because it will be much harder to fix bugs by then.


yes, but how are we going to attract high paid developers to monday net with 50k grants? they are going to go to FAANG or any of the other blockchains that offer competitive pay. Especially when they see the foundation paying millions to Redbull, McLaren, NY mets, etc, and giving ecosystem grants of 50k. The reputation of Tezos is terrible because of the horrible structure of these grants and the Tezos foundation. They ARE the money behind Tezos, we don’t have VC’s because they think Tezos is a ghost chain.

Hi all. Tech lead for Deku here. As I’ve mentioned on Twitter and in Tezos Commons interviews, if you have an application or an idea for an application that could benefit from Deku’s value props (low latency, high throughput, WebAssembly, fast withdraws), the best thing would be to get in touch with me directly.

As of recent weeks we have released some documentation and example apps. These apps show you can do lots already. However, there are still rough edges. I offer support from myself and the Deku team in exchange for toleration of those rough edges and feedback on the developer experience.

I’m readily available on Tezos Discord and Slack, and I occasionally even check Twitter DM’s.


Thank you for the information.

Can companies and projects contract you guys directly for dApp integration? Also, do you know of a way they can apply for a grant to use you? Many Tezos dapps are downsizing their spending, but it would be nice to have a few good dapps using Deku before we head out of the recession. Talking around, funding seems like the biggest blocker. Would be great to have a mini-grant fund setup where you can pick through applicants and then help them build.

Hey Daniel, I have an idea that (I think) sounds pretty cool. I know you’ve got in some games in it (Pokémon I think), curious if you’ve thought of a turn-based strategy game (ie Civilization or Age of Empires)? I have a bunch of ideas and utilities a L2 could provide for this - as well as ways to positively impact the Tezos ecosystem.