(PsQ3NAxQc)

Proposed by Tez Capital (TzC).

What is the Q3NA proposal?

The Q3NA proposal is a 3rd generation (after Qena and Qena42) proposal, intended to accomplish the same common Adaptive Issuance economic goals as stated in the QuebecB and Quebec proposals, using a slightly different approach. From a tech perspective, Q3NA is simply Quebec with 5 line changes in the code and 6 lines of comments.

Please note that if something is not explicitly mentioned below, it remains the same as described here.

Q3NA Proposal Summary

  1. Same security ambitions as Quebec, with a 50% staked tez security target (note: this is mentioned explicitly to contrast with our old Qena42 proposal, which had a 42% target)
  2. Lowered maximum emissions bound (a.k.a. curve) (similar to Quebec), in case staked % is stuck near the target
  3. Reinforced security at 33% staked via the same (modified) maximum emissions bound as above
  4. Lower (adaptive) issuance by 5 XTZ/min static from turning off the Liquidity Baking (LB) xtz/btc subsidy (i.e., LB is turned off after the activation of the Q3NA protocol)

What makes Q3NA a better choice than your last proposals?

As previously mentioned, we originally injected the Qena proposal to go along with the Quebec A and Quebec B proposals during proposal period #131. Qena was voted though, yet it failed to reach the exploration period threshold of 80% yes votes, missing by just a few percent.

We later injected the Qena42 proposal to go with with the Quebec (i.e., QuebecB with a staking-over-baking-limit increase from 5X to 9X) proposal during proposal period #133. Qena42 was voted through but it failed to reach 80% yes votes due to a core developer bug advisory.

We published a post which explained the reasons for diverting from the QuebecB and the Quebec methodology, specifically with regard to the new maximum issuance bound, as well as the security target with Qena42.

As proposal period #135 opens now, we propose the Q3NA protocol, which is intended to meet the same economic and chain security objectives as the Quebec proposal using the same tool, namely — the max issuance bound, as well as an additional tool — LB subsidy removal.

Q3NA proposal hash: PsQ3NAxQC3pXSizDrKEkPHsarkKD78T58X9CXBfYaiXAi2rsvsD

Q3NA source code: Q3NA · tez-capital/tezos@eda23f7 · GitHub

Will Q3NA need a UAPO to activate if passed?

What is a UAPO?

User Activated Protocol Override: This has been used in the past to address implementation bugs. It would require bakers to install a client that overrides the protocol time of activation. (source: Bug discovered in Qena42: Our recommendations)

We kept our changes minimal and tested thoroughly. The Q3NA protocol was tested locally with the pipeline from the official Tezos repository. Additionally, its activation was tested in a sandbox to test the removal of LB, which isn’t currently directly tested by the Tezos repository pipeline. The Q3NA source code will be submitted for review and we hope the core repository CI will be run on Monday.

What are the objectives of Quebec?

To best understand the objectives of Quebec A/B and Quebec is to read the original blog posted by Nomadic Labs.

An adaptive maximum issuance bound: This new component of the Adaptive Issuance mechanism makes maximum issuance bounds dependent on the staked ratio. It prevents potential future scenarios where a stagnation of global staked tez close to the target ratio could lead to undesirably high issuance rates.

Here’s more information from the Tezos Gitlab documentation:

Thanks to the adaptive maximum, the total issuance rate (static rate + dynamic rate) cannot be too far above the static rate (green dashed curve). More precisely, the total issuance rate is forced to stay between the static rate (green) and the adaptive maximum (blue). In other words, the dynamic rate is effectively bounded to stay below the red dotted curve, which plots the adaptive maximum minus the static rate.

Adaptive maximum compared to the static rate, in the range from 5% to 50% staked ratio. (source: https://tezos.gitlab.io/quebec/adaptive_issuance.html#adaptive-maximum-quebec)

Briefly, the goals of the Adaptive Issuance Maximum Bound are to lower total issuance while continuing to sufficiently incentivize the network to reach the 50% staking target.

How does QENA better meet the objectives of Quebec?

(1) Max Issuance Bound

The Q3NA maximum issuance bound offers a more balanced approach to token issuance compared to Quebec. By adjusting the maximum emissions bound, Q3NA ensures sufficient rewards for validators, thereby maintaining network security, while simultaneously reducing overall issuance to mitigate inflationary pressures. This balance better aligns validator incentives with the network’s long-term health and sustainability, effectively addressing the limitations observed in the Quebec curve.

Max Issuance: Q3NA vs. Quebec+LB vs. Paris+LB

Are bakers selling their XTZ?

As part of Adaptive Issuance activation launch of the Paris protocol, the overall Tezos issuance rate went as high as almost 8% (7.5% if adjusted for LB). The issuance rate is currently at ~6.7% (6.2% if adjusted for LB).

The graph below show what happens to XTZ paid to all bakers, excluding their stakers and delegators. When taken as a whole, non-Exchange bakers mainly accumulate rewards paid to them.

XTZ accumulation: Without Top 3 Exchanges

(2) Removal of Liquidity Baking (LB)

We have disabled the production of tez rewards which are put into LB at a constant rate of 5 XTZ/min.

What is Liquidity Baking again?

Liquidity baking incentivizes large amounts of decentralized liquidity provision between tez and tzBTC by minting a small amount of tez every block and depositing it inside of a constant product market making smart-contract. (source: Liquidity Baking — Octez & Protocol products documentation)

Most people take advantage of LB by purchasing the SIRS token as described here: https://tezos.gitlab.io/active/liquidity_baking.html

Has LB attracted a lot of liquidity?

In the past 24 hours LB has produced a volume of $193K (USD) and the total value locked (TVL) is $8.6M. The current APR is a 21.34%.

How much does LB cost Tezos?

LB produces an extra 7.2K XTZ per day, 216K XTZ per month and just over 2.6M XTZ per year.

What are some of the negative impacts of LB?

The fact is that what LB does, in effect is sell 2.6M XTZ per year for the price of 0 (tz)BTC. The results of such a move are liquidity accrual for LB and the price depreciation for XTZ/BTC as short sellers find it a convenient vehicle to bet on the long trend of XTZ losing ground against BTC.

LB is a very clever way to generate decentralized liquidity but unfortunately the current conditions of decreasing XTZ/BTC value do not favor it. Just like extra issuance caused by the Adaptive Issuance emissions without a maximum issuance bound, LB acts as a way to increase the sell pressure Tezos is burdened with.

Most people currently just farm LB inflation at the cost of XTZ sell pressure with no economic velocity of note to produce enough positive economic effects, at this time.

The DeFi instruments which currently utilize LB, like Kord and Youves should be OK (temporarily?) with the ceasing of the LB subsidy. We will be able to observe the resultant economic effects and adjust going forward with more data at our fingertips

What about the burn mechanism built into LB?

Given the current economic activity that’s produced by LB, the burn mechanism can be said to be “a drop in the bucket.” We need to see a velocity increase of 50X-100X to appreciate the efficacy of the burn inflation compensatory mechanism.

What should happen with LB?

We believe it’s most prudent to turn LB off now and propose it again at a later time when the XTZ/BTC trend has started to go up for at least 3 months, ideally even longer to build more buyer side resilience. We hope that when proposed again, the toggle vote threshold needed to turn off LB will be lowered to properly capture the stake which is eligible to turn it off.

Why don’t you use the native LB toggle vote?

The toggle vote is explained here: Liquidity Baking — Octez & Protocol products documentation

Having the equivalent of 111 BTC of liquidity is nothing to scoff at but, as things stand it’s simply not worth the price Tezos is collectively paying.

The entities, including bakers, that are utilizing LB and benefiting from the subsidy are unlikely to give it up for nothing. LB is a reliable way to extract value from Tezos without a proven benefit, at this time. The 5 XTZ/min inflation pressure on Tezos issuance is static, so it will eventually become 25% of overall issuance, then 50% and so on. That simply doesn’t make sense given the Adaptive Issuance we purport to use.

We have a unique opportunity to balance overall issuance. Everyone sacrifices something for well being of Tezos.

Turning LB off at this time also opens up the opportunity for better ideas to be implemented in the future, which accomplish the same goal of fostering DeFi, at a lower cost to Tezos as a whole.

Now is a good time to discuss TezosX and how we want to foster DeFi in our shared L2 hyper-performant blockchain future! Let’s figure out how to utilize our resources better. Perhaps we can design a better LB to support other projects, including Etherlink, USDtz, etc.

If we don’t disable LB now and reassess the situation, we may never get another chance to do so.

Summary

Q3NA is a third-generation protocol proposal for Tezos, following Qena and Qena42, that aims to improve the blockchain’s economic goals and security. The key aspects of the proposal are:

Core Features

  • Maintains a 50% staked tez security target
  • Implements a lowered maximum emissions bound (similar to Quebec)
  • Reinforces security at 33% staked through modified maximum emissions
  • Reduces adaptive issuance by 0.5% (5 XTZ/min) by setting subsidy to 0 for Liquidity Baking (LB)

Key Improvements

  • Offers a more balanced approach to token issuance compared to Quebec
  • Better aligns validator incentives with network health
  • Addresses limitations in the Quebec curve
  • Removes the Liquidity Baking subsidy, which currently costs about 2.6M XTZ annually

Liquidity Baking (LB) Changes

  • Proposes turning off LB due to current market conditions
  • Suggests reintroducing LB later when XTZ/BTC trends improve
  • Recommends lowering future LB toggle vote thresholds to better capture eligible stake
  • Addresses concerns about the current LB system’s impact on XTZ price depreciation

The Q3NA protocol proposal offers Tezos a unique opportunity to enhance network security, promote economic sustainability, and lower overall issuance — empowering a balanced, future-proof ecosystem. By embracing Q3NA’s carefully designed emissions model, we can prioritize long-term network health and value for every participant, from bakers to token holders.

Join us in supporting Q3NA as a proposal rooted in community values and designed for sustainable growth. Cast your vote to make Tezos stronger and more resilient. Let’s build a better network together — vote Q3NA!

Tezos :heart: from Tez Capital (TzC)

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Hi, @Primate411 !! echoing a question from Discord. The delegator power reduction of 33% remains in Q3N?

That’s correct, the 0.5 > 0.33 delegator power change is also in Q3NA.

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I personally think that stopping liquidity baking at this time is extremely premature, given the fantastic enhancements currently being made to tzBTC (Wrapped Bitcoin Evolved: Welcome to tzBTC 2.0).

These enhancements notably include easier on-ramps, which should allow more in-flows of liquidity.

I love seeing alternate governance proposals in the ecosystem, however if my baker were to vote in favor of Q3NA they will lose my stake.

Is this some sort of joke? Lets take a look at the tzBTC roadmap:

In September 2024, it was announced that tzBTC would go live on Multichain. Now it’s November, and there have been no updates. At this point, it feels like they’re just stringing us along. I don’t care much about LB, but the whole situation is a trainwreck.

Only a small percentage of people in the ecosystem are even aware of LB. It’s clearly underused and hasn’t met expectations. I mostly blame the Foundation—the people responsible for introducing it. I still remember there wasn’t even a user interface available for months after launch, leaving end users without a way to interact with LB. The mantra was (and apparently still is): “We provide the tech updates, and people will eventually build on it themselves.” The problem is, not many people are left. This may work in ETH ecosystem but not in Tezos unfortunately.

The most hilarious part, though, is the mental gymnastics that regular end users have to go through to understand all the AI curve changes. It’s equally amusing (and frustrating) that the core teams didn’t provide proper visualization tools from the start when they first introduced AI. Thankfully, a visualization was eventually provided by https://ai.xtzchad.xyz/.

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Why turn off Liquidity Baking when tzBTC 2.0 will soon offer users minting-and-burning access to tzBTC on the tzBTC website, with no minimum BTC amount required.

This means more liquidity can flow from the BTC ecosystem into Tezos, much faster than before.

Given that BTC is entering a strong bull market, holders will likely be selling throughout the coming year as they take profits, and investing those profits into other spaces. Even if a tiny fraction of Bitcoin value gets added to Liquidity Baking, the effects on Tezos would be felt.

Even if you don’t like Liquidity Baking, the amount of inflation it creates is negligible.

We may as well leave it in place for the next two years and take advantage of BTC liquidity inflows. If it’s failed to capture any significant inflows in the next two years it can always be turned off via the existing escape hatch, without a protocol amendment.

You are missing my point. I saif that I dont care about LB. I am just frustrated about the current state and you are again linking the same article from February. Look at the screenshot, It should be already live but still is not and no update at all. Linking the same article over and over again wont change that.

btw gg for whoever flagged my post I guess the truth hurts? lol

So you don’t care about the negligible amount of inflation created by Liquidity Baking, only that the tzBTC rollout is late by a few months?

Technical roadmaps are delayed all the time. Give them some more time, you can turn off Liquidity Baking any time you like with the escape hatch.

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Yes, I’m not concerned about the inflation caused by LB. Many other chains with higher inflation have outperformed Tezos. The real issues that brought Tezos to its current state are much bigger—developers leaving, minimal interest from developers to build on Tezos, and so on. Blaming LB is just a natural scapegoating process.

That said, I do agree with the criticism that LB is far too restrictive in its current approach to acquiring tzBTC. On top of that, as I mentioned, 99% of Tezos users don’t even know about LB because of past UX mistakes and the lack of accessible resources.

I also don’t mind the tzBTC rollout being delayed by a few months, but this kind of scenario has become far too common on Tezos. A project or feature gets announced, then delayed, and eventually fades into oblivion. I hope this doesn’t happen with tzBTC, but based on past experiences, I’m skeptical—especially since there’s been no follow-up update explaining the delay or providing a new timeline for its release.

And when it comes to Q3naA or Quebec I fine either way and its great that a community proposal gets so much attention.

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I don’t disagree with you that the current state of Tezos isn’t ideal. However I don’t think the Q3NA proposal solves any of the pain points you’ve mentioned (which based off your own comments I think you’ve alluded to as well).

If voting in Q3NA doesn’t address any of this issues you’ve mentioned, then I don’t think it’s the right path forward.

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I agree, stopping liquidity baking is a bad idea. this is the only DEFI that has decent liquidity. Si few option exist on XTZ. I will be voting against this proposal on that basis. As for inflation part it was addressed partly with the burning of part of the fee. I would remove this burning of the fee.
I would also add, without the Liquidity baking DEFI I would have left XTZ a while back. Too little liquidity to trade on XTZ, LB is and was the only viable option for DEFI in high volumes.

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Hey Erock I invite you to express your opinion on this LB improvement: https://forum.tezosagora.org/t/improve-liquidity-baking/

@Anna

Seeing as how Everstake just voted up only Q3NA, would love to hear your thoughts on why.

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Hey, guys!

We believe the adaptive maximum in Quebec is too strict. This new mechanism, which significantly reduces issuance and staking rewards, could create long-term challenges for the community. While decreasing issuance is important for the ecosystem’s health, we should strive for a more balanced and gradual approach.

At 30% staked, Quebec reduces issuance to 3%. In our view, this is a steep drop compared to the rewards users currently receive at 20%. Such an abrupt change might push many users to leave and explore other ecosystems with more competitive APRs. Additionally, lower rewards could discourage new participants from joining, as staking might no longer align with their expectations for passive income. That said, we agree that a significant issuance reduction will need to happen at some point. However, we believe it should be scheduled further down the line to allow for a smoother and more gradual transition from the current levels.

Ideally would be to discover something in between Quena and Quebec maximum issuance curves, but currently there is no such option.

First, you argued that we should allow sufficient time to evaluate the impact of awareness campaigns aimed at encouraging staking participation.

Now that it has become evident those measures are unable to incentivize a staking ratio above 20%, you persist in opposing the adoption of the adaptive maximum mechanism.

This time, your reasoning is that the adaptive maximum curve excessively restricts issuance, despite the fact that this curve was originally adjusted—following your feedback—to make it less restrictive and ignoring the cons of keeping a higher issuance than before.

Moreover, you propose no alternative curve that you would support and you argue considering an unrealistic 30% staking ratio, making all your arguments sound like thinly veiled excuses to delay and obstruct the adoption of an adaptive curve in order to keep your short-term rewards (from your delegates and stakers) as high as possible.

As you never consulted nor communicated properly your sign of your usually erratic vote you have already lost some of your largest stakers/delegates, and your total balance continues to dwindle, leaving you without the ability to veto. If you vote against Quebec (the only guaranteed bug-free proposal) in the next phase, I predict that your delegated and staked balance will continue to decline—to the ultimate benefit of Tezos.

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That’s a somewhat misleading way to put it, what users receive is much higher than the issuance rate. The point of staking is to secure the network, not provide the illusion of free money.

More importantly, if Everstake wants to weigh in on curve design, there are open calls that they could join to participate in the design. This is the third time this vote has taken place, and getting much interaction with the Everstake team was difficult.

A vote for the original Qena was a reasonable way to suggest waiting until implementing reductions. Sadly a vote for “Q3N4” is now also:

  • a vote for a poorly constructed curve
  • a vote for an increase in the advantage of staking over delegating that was supposed to be compensate a reduction in the issuance but here only exacerbates an imbalance
  • a vote to trash 6 years of tradition for naming protocols
  • an endorsement of false and divisive claims about the liquidity baking toggle

If Everstake wants to take part in the design of the protocol, I invite them to engage in good faith with the team. The last interaction I had with Everstake ended with their team assuring me that “both proposals would move forward anyway because they had each gathered than 5%”. You are one of the largest baker on Tezos, you should have a voice in governance, but this is not an effective way to make it heard.

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I agree, at 30% stake the issuance doesn’t drop from ~20% to ~3% with Quebec.

The issuance drops from 5.95% to 3.30%

The issuance ≠ APY

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Thank you for this extremely well articulated position Arthur, I completely agree.

I’ll also add that it’s apparent Q3NA has technical flaws and hasn’t been tested properly, and I would argue upvoting it is flat out reckless @Anna.

Sure looks like there’s only a single baker that’s been running Q3NA. That’s not a responsible level of testing.

Hey @TEZ_Blocks, thanks for upvoting Quebec. :+1: